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Lee's avatar

Serious folks who didn't sit on the fence. Thank you for sharing the stories of your ancestors.

Sheila (of Ephemera)'s avatar

What a wild history! I don't have anyone that interesting in my family tree!

Fuck, this world is so messed up, isn't it, Anna? I keep on writing my fluffy little Substack (fashion! what I wore!), defiant in the face of all that stuff going on. It's not as bad up here in Canada, but still...

Larisa Rimerman's avatar

What a family history! So heroic, everybody could be proud of it.

Sally's avatar

Wow. I’m so jealous! I would give anything to learn I have such cool ancestors! Even just one!

Jon Warren Lentz's avatar

NEW TAC TICKS NEEDED

LET’S ROLL: TAC TICKS

Because It Is Up To US To Save The Republic.

The eXsistance needs a new tactic.

What is ROBERT FROST’s greatest vulnerability in the cities?

TRANSPORTATION.

Consider:

* Vehicles have one spare. Two flats & they’re disabled.

* Disable enough vehicles, ROBERT FROST will need to retrieve his men before cold gets them.

* Every vehicle out to retrieve stranded agents could also be stopped with more nails.

* Few tow trucks will be likely to help.

* Many vehicles will be stranded overnight.

* Although violent agitators might torch vehicles, that will not be our cohort.

* We don’t intentionally disable police or national guard.

When/if they find a nail, “collateral damage”.

* Executed swiftly, nationwide, we could stop the goonSquad. Cold. This week.

FOCUS Minneapolis: Tuesday, strand 50% or more ROBERT FROST Agents across Minneapolis.

ACTION everywhere else across the USA. Stuck Goons. Weaponized cold. They are so stupid, they might not even realize that they NEED to retrieve their agents before nightfall.

That gives us today & tomorrow to get the message out:

SAFELY Disable ROBERT FROST’s vehicles by flattening two tires. Do this as quickly as possible & then all day long Tuesday until they are wise to our tactics &/or when it becomes too dangerous. Remember, they are stupid & we are not. There will be a window of a few hours, maybe a whole day, in which to strand many, many vehicles. (Detroit will love this.)

Methods:

1) Safest: Roofing Nails*

When Robert Frost advances on civilians blocking the passage of their vehicle

Yield ground while discretely seeding the road with nails scattered under tires.

Easy, low risk, especially effective.

This method will not be limited by surprise timing.

*(Roofing nails short 1” nails with broad flat heads, they stand on their heads & puncture when a tire rolls over)

2) Entails Risk: Clipping, Puncturing.

More difficult, more risk, but effective on unattended vehicles.

Approach unattended vehicles, (or if vehicle is attended by a driver, work with another protester in a team of distractor & cutter) clip-off the valve stem of two tires.

Or, using awl, puncture two tires.

* Do this, nation-wide, & Wednesday will be an entirely different ballgame. Depending upon how THEY regroup, we look for our next sneaky tac tick.

* Put on your thinking caps. Let’s roll.

— share widely —

Illegitimi Non Carborundurm

Chen Rafaeli's avatar

Aha. So some ancestors did surely know each other. Interesting.

Do you know what happenned to Boris?

I'm asking not out of sheer curiosity.

This old guard as they were being called, didn't survive well, or not at all. They were all purged, later, in the thirties

Of course there were exceptions -for example the (distant)relative I'm talking about a) left Soviet government in several months,. Probably didn't want to have that much in common with that goverment, afyer all

and b) he was so ancient when purges started he was left alone, not being considered a threat. Everybody else died a horrible death, after horrible tortures, or was sent to Gulag, to die another kind of horrible death)

So I don't know what they'd say.

I guess each one would have their own opinion.

Some did believe until the very end.

They'd say wrong people arrived after them. For example.

But. it starts with them taking power, and then they need to hold to it, right?

What's the power, if one can't hold onto it.

And then it appears it has to be done by any means possible.

And then it's "let's send 300 000 folks from St Petersburg to Siberia or Kazakhstan , just in case, so the city will tremble, and won't consider itself equal to Moscow", or some such.

In addition to many other things.

And they'd smile and say: "We know you did nothing wrong; we're just making examples out of you"

Then you have an Empire of Evil- with a beautiful Constitution though , and nice pictures of kids playing and workers working, and the machine of lies even the US would be envious of.

Then it breaks and dissolves- but the one who had real power there, find their way to that power again, and put back monuments to the Great Stalin, and find reasons to wage wars, which is now 4 years (I'm from Kiev, so my post might be a bit too colored by this detail)

and are in general as considerate of human lives as Tzars before them; only Tsars seem more conscientous still.

Yes; I also had some very brave ancestors, and most of them were wonderful people.

Didn't help.

There is quiet sort of bravery too; noone notices it, no one acknowledges it, but because of it, world maybe still is standing.

But I like the idea your ancerstors and mine probably argued together, and drank tea(or whatever they drank) together, and were naive enough, until they weren't.

Thank you for the post, Anna ❤️

Anna Schott's avatar

Thanks Chen. I know about his personal life, his letters to his children, etc, but about his political life with Lenin and Trotsky I only know that he, (after his earlier assassination plot) had renounced violence and was described as having become disillusioned. He was also old--51 in 1917--and maybe because of that, survived Stalin. He was a member of the All-Union Society of Old Bolsheviks, and died in Moscow in 1947.

Chen Rafaeli's avatar

Very similar, then.

(Mine wasn't a Bolshevik, per se, but still regarded very high as to be called to become a member in the first Soviet Goverment. He was also even older than yours. Died in St Petersburg

Fascinating people, for sure. And they couldn't NOT know each other, maybe pretty closely. I'll try to research more.

💕)

Anna Schott's avatar

wow! let me know what you find!

Chen Rafaeli's avatar

omg, -and I've only started!

(now, one'd be wise, while reading materials in Russian (I also found some short Belorussian links, easy to understand)- to remember through which lense they are written n o w, and by whom. The context now can be very...shaky, and serving certain propaganda.

Frankly, I'd even abstain from reading some.

Lots and lots of conspirology as well.

The one that takes the cake- it was actually him who played the role of Lenin, in between years 18-24 (? people there really love their conspirologies nowadays. )

In short, if I find something r e l i a b l e, and maybe about the connection between the ancestors(?) -I'll let know. Thank you, Anna!

Rona Maynard's avatar

An illustrious lineage. Fascinating!

Francesca Bossert's avatar

Also, how did you find out about all this???

Anna Schott's avatar

My dad mentioned it in passing, something like, "My great grandparents were communists" and I took it from there. A lot has been written about them as they were very active in the U.S and Russia.

Francesca Bossert's avatar

Like Wendy, I'm beginning to wish we lived in less interesting times. I wrote a poem a few months ago about wanting the days to be boring, because it already felt like everything was insane, but we hadn't seen anything yet. I understand why you're frightened, I'm frightened too, even from all the way over here. Or maybe not frightened, but...unsettled. And horrified, obviously.

You have some "interesting" ancestors, Anna. Fascinating post.

Wendy Varley's avatar

Fascinating family history, Anna. Wow. Your great great grandfather Boris looks like my son, but I doubt very much they’re related!

In everyday conversation the phrase ‘we’re living in interesting times’ is cropping up so often now that I wish the times were a bit less interesting.